Does Doctrine Matter ?
Priscilla Van Sutphin
www.upstreamca.org
goinupstream@hotmail.com

This last week someone sent me some videos of one who calls herself an apostle on Tangle.
I had a hard time listening because I kept getting chest pain listening to it...
I wasn’t sure at first what that meant till I listened more and discussed it with friend.
I have always gotten chest pain when a murderous spirit of jezebel comes at me,
As a means of discerning what is coming against me. God has used pain in my body
As a word of knowledge for healing or for demonization. Honestly, I’d rather hear
Him say something but this is the way He works with me some of the time. I’ve sometimes
also gotten that same chest pain when someone’s heart is a mess, with anger, rage, etc.
from wounding that is not healed.

One of the things she said that was twisted is that the Holy Spirit’s job is not to teach apostolic doctrine, that only the apostles teach that. It sounds right. I was thinking…well then how did Paul learn?  How did John the Baptist know to preach and what to preach? How did all of us who have been walking in the desert learn the truth? It certainly wasn’t because of the church teaching the truth all the time? It was because when we read the Word of God, the HOLY SPIRIT taught us the truth, as that IS HIS JOB…He is even CALLED the Spirit of TRUTH!

John 15:26-27 NKJV  "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.  27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

John 16:13 NKJV However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
1 Cor 2:10-13 NKJV  But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Another thing I’ve seen for years in teachings and words of prophecy is that doctrine doesn’t matter, we just need to love everyone.  While it is true we need to love everyone, is it loving to let people believe a lie?  Is it loving not to confront? NO.  Apathy and fear lead us not to confront.  But the loving thing is to confront lies in brothers and sisters so they can consider truth, and repent, and to at least PRAY for them that God would reveal the truth.

I remember being in Washington State visiting my friend Judy, and we went to visit this guy who was Mennonite background who had this belief that everything would be redeemed, even the demons.  I remember Holy Spirit coming over me to plead with him to consider the truth that God wanted to speak to him.  It was done with kindness and utmost respect.  Yet I have no idea if God has changed his heart. The Lord was leading all the way in that situation.

I remember one Vineyard church where the the assistant pastor one Sunday made the statement, that he wouldn’t be surprised if they found the bones of Jesus one day!  I remember one pastor in an evangelical church in my town I was visiting telling this story how this man came against him and so they prayed he’d get in an accident, and he did and nearly died.  They prayed that another young man resisting salvation message would break his arm, and that “GOD” answered and broke his arm.  At which
point I was horrified and looking around at people’s reactions saw complacency as if this was a normal thing. I was astounded wondering if they had considered if they disagreed with this man they might get the same treatment of witchcraft prayers.

We all know of the prosperity “doctrine” that has gotten so out of hand that that’s all people are concerned with in the church these days is when they get “their blessing” or come into the promise of wealth.  I’ve seen people tithe for years, and then when they got in a difficult situation with health or money, that nothing was offered to help them when they asked.  This is what the scripture means when it says by some the gospel is profaned.

Ezek 36:23-24 NKJV
23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord," says the Lord God, "when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

2 Peter 2:13-15 NIV  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.   14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed — an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness.

2 Tim 2:15-19 NKJV  Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Now THIS is the problem with wrong doctrine.  It leads people astray from obeying the truth, and overthrows faith in others who recognize it’s not truth, and then leave the church all together because they are appalled at the lack of godliness. My daughter in law revealed the other night that her family had gone to church when she was young and they were going to a Baptist church until they started pushing for more money. Her mother & aunt had taught Sunday school. This is just one example. I remember reading in a book about how most of those entering Mormonism as converts, and JW’s are ex Christians who left because of the way they were treated by Christians.

Believe me, without a strong love for Jesus I could have easily gone that route, due to all the rejection I received from the church, but when He took hold of me, nothing could dissuade me from HIM. The one thing that is so important to our Christian walk is a LOVE FOR THE TRUTH !  Truth is not relative. Truth is a person. And the Living Word gave us the logos Word, so we would have something to compare our dreams and visions, and revelation to, so that we would have a standard of righteousness and truth, a compass to go by.

Now look at what 2 John says:
2 John 9-11 NKJV   Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

If doctrine isn’t important then why would Paul have so many words about not abiding with those who teach other doctrines that are not sound. Now I agree that some of what is taught is not a big deal. But there is a standard of doctrine that must be judged, and it is the doctrine of Christ and what the apostles taught.  Ananias and Sapphira DIED for lying. People lie all the time now, and excuse it. In an apostolic age like that which is about to be birthed once again, people will pay a high price in the glory. Glory brings separation of the profane from wickedness.  We have grown so lax over the many years, which is what Joel talks about when he talks about the canker worm and locust.  This is about Israel, but it is also about the wars devastating the church over the centuries.

2 John 9-11 NKJV   Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Joel 1:4-7 AMP
4 What the crawling locust left, the swarming locust has eaten; and what the swarming locust left, the hopping locust has eaten; and what the hopping locust left, the stripping locust has eaten.  5 Awake, you drunkards, and weep; wail, all you drinkers of wine, because of the [fresh] sweet juice [of the grape], for it is cut off and removed from your mouth. 
6 For a [heathen and hostile] nation [of locusts, illustrative of a human foe] has invaded My land, mighty and without number; its teeth are the teeth of a lion, and it has the jaw teeth of a lioness. [Rev 9:7,8.]   7 It has laid waste My vine [symbol of God's people] and barked and broken My fig tree; it has made them completely bare and thrown them down; their branches are made white. [Isa 5:5,6.]

For years there has been a purposeful infiltration of the church by witches and warlocks, freemasons, and others to destroy what we call apostolic truth, and to subvert the Kingdom of GOD.  New agers have entered in as well teaching in some well known churches, like Rick Warren’s church. Changing the doctrines of Christ to the doctrines of DEMONS.  Rob Bell is one of the “emergent church leaders” who has taught false doctrine by blending yoga concepts with Christian “spirituality” and other things.

The syncretism in the church is at an all time high.  Yoga is actually taught in some churches trying to apply it as if it fits with Christianity. Indian Christians would be appalled.  You CANNOT separate the actions in yoga from kundalini power of the serpent.  It is all intertwined.  See Yoga Uncoiled by Caryl Matriciana. I recommend you buy it from her site to show the youth and adults and children.
But if you don’t have the money it is available here as I found it on you tube or google.  http://www.upstreamca.org/yoga.html

Paul says in Timothy:
1 Tim 6:1-10 NKJV  Let as many bondservants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed. 2 And those who have believing masters, let them not despise them because they are brethren, but rather serve them because those who are benefited are believers and beloved. Teach and exhort these things.
Error and Greed
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. 
6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

How many desire to be rich whom we are acquainted with on TV for example ? How many manipulate the scriptures to get money and use the methods of the WORLD to manipulate for money ? How many live in million dollar homes like many of the TBN tv personalities. How many HIRE image consultants to help with their websites and advertisements ?  Can you imagine the apostles doing that today ?  WHY THEN to people still adhere to the greediness of men and the spirit of jezebel in such people.

The Doctrine of CHRIST JESUS is:
“Mark 4:19 NKJV …and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.”

Luke 12:19-21 NKJV And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry."'  20 But God said to him, 'Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?' 21 "So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

Luke 12:32-34 NKJV "Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.  33 Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys.  34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

James 5:1-6  NKJV     Rich Oppressors Will Be Judged
5 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you!  2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.   5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

Mark 10:24-25 NKJV   And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God!  25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I’ve heard pastors preach that going through the eye of a needle is not what this really means, that He was talking about the “Needle Gate” in Jerusalem, and go on and on about how we can become RICH in Christ through declaring the promises of God. I would argue that we already are RICH if we are in Christ Jesus, and that God does want us to be taken care of, but not to the detriment of others as HE pointed out in the story of the Rich man and Lazarus. In Luke 16 the whole chapter concerns this issue and after telling the one story about a rich man Jesus says…
Luke 16:13b NKJV …”You cannot serve God and mammon."

Then He admonishes the Pharisees…
Luke 16:14-15 NKJV   Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him. 15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Again, if doctrine doesn’t matter then why would Paul encourage Timothy on following his doctrine and manner of life ?

2 Tim 3:10-15 NKJV  But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra — what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
[ AND HE WARNS US in this last hour…]
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them,  15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

He also warns us through scriptures about this end times that men will not endure sound DOCTRINE.

2 Tim 3:16-17 NKJV All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Tim 4:2-5 NKJV  Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

NT:1319 didaskalia (did-as-kal-ee'-ah); from NT:1320; instruction (the function or the information): KJV - doctrine, learning, teaching.

Titus 1:7-9 NKJV For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.

Ok here is another example from the last couple weeks of encounters with people.
A Mexican pastor I knew, was revealed by his wife that for 22 years he’s been verbally abusive, drinking and doing drugs off and on. Re-LOOK at the above scripture and we know that MANY more have not been yet exposed for the sin that is in the church. Years and years ago the Lord had me lie on my side just for 7 days and read Ezekiel and at the end of that time gave me word about there being MANY, MANY pastors that were having sex with other women, with men and with children.

I shook hands with one pastor after going to his church to see Fuschia Pickett years ago, and as I shook his hand, the Lord showed me he was having sex with his male bodyguard.  We went home and travailed over that. I’m not saying that to be proud, but REALISTIC as to the problem that pervades the church of Jesus Christ.

The Lord said through Jeremiah:
Jer 6:11-15 NKJV   Therefore I am full of the fury of the Lord. I am weary of holding it in. "I will pour it out on the children outside, And on the assembly of young men together; For even the husband shall be taken with the wife, The aged with him who is full of days. 12 And their houses shall be turned over to others, Fields and wives together; For I will stretch out My hand against the inhabitants of the land," says the Lord. 13 "Because from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is given to covetousness; And from the prophet even to the priest, everyone deals falsely. 14 They have also healed the hurt of My people slightly, saying, 'Peace, peace!' When there is no peace. 15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time I punish them, they shall be cast down," says the Lord.

In 1989 I went to the Holiness conference at the old Vineyard, and I was standing in line one day, and behind me was a pastor from New Zealand.  He was talking to others about how his congregation had prayed steadfastly for one whole year for the GLORY of God to come down.  Then one Sunday it did come down and 8 people dropped dead !!!

In Titus PAUL admonishes Titus:
Titus 2:2 NKJV  But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: 2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience;
Titus 2:6-10 NKJV Likewise, exhort the young men to be sober-minded, 7 in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, 8 sound speech that cannot be condemned, that one who is an opponent may be ashamed, having nothing evil to say of you.  9 Exhort bondservants to be obedient to their own masters, to be well pleasing in all things, not answering back, 10 not pilfering, but showing all good fidelity, that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things.

In the book of REVELATION JOHN received this from the LORD:

Rev 2:14-16 NKJV But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.  15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.  
Below is part of a revelation about the Nicolaitans that shows why He hates it.
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/why-does-god-hate-practices-of-the-nicolaitans.html
and another revelation about how a cobra spirit relates to it…
http://www.etpv.org/2000/tsnico.html

THEN in REVELATION AGAIN the LORD SAYS THROUGH the APOSTLE JOHN…

Rev 2:24-26 NKJV "Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden.  25 But hold fast what you have till I come.  26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations

What doctrine is HE talking about here ? Well it’s the letter to Thyratira where He is talking about JEZEBEL which is VERY applicable to our times. And HE calls it – the doctrine – THE DEPTHS OF SATAN !  Do you know that the Satanic bible has 13 commandments that revolve around SELF ? And do you know that the spirit of jezebel is also all about SELF ? What I WANT, just like Jezebel in the bible, she usurped power and stole the land of Nabal, and she knew the depths of Satan being her father was a Baal worshipper.  So when John says
“this doctrine” it is the doctrine of self, that is being taught by people like some TV personalities and others in the emerging church that focuses on SELF. God warned us in 2 Timothy about the characteristics of people in these times. The harlot church is the church with Jezebel pervading it.

Steve Sampson has a VERY GOOD book called “ I was always on my mind” available at
www.stevesampson.com that is well worth the read.
Also see: www.upstreamca.org/ahab_jezebel_elijah.html
Jezebel Never apologizes www.upstreamca.org/jezneverapologizes.html
Jezebel wants your vineyard by Clo DiPlato www.upstreamca.org/jezebelwants.html
Jezebel Jerky by Kristen Couchey //propheticparables.mysite.com/Jezebeljerky.html
Jezebel in Authority Figures
free book on this page
Under “BURK_spirit of JEALOUSY” that is very applicable.

I think in conclusion that we can say that what someone believes, what doctrines they hold ARE IMPORTANT and they are not to be ignored like many have purported, but Paul exhorts us to not even fellowship with those we correct who will not listen. We can pray for them that God will lead them back into proper doctrine and heal their hearts and minds.  But we are to speak out to them and not hide it like others have cautioned. All these false teachings have kept it festering like a cancer in the body. NONE of us can obtain right doctrine apart from accountability to one another and the GRACE of GOD. If we ASK for TRUTH, HOLY SPIRIT will provide it. But we must have our heart in the right place to receive and not think our opinions more important than HIS or others. The greatest deception of all is to think we can't be deceived.

Love to you in Christ Jesus, Priscilla